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Commanders in RoP

Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:52 am

Hi, as there are a lot of questions and the developing team is answering, I will dare to ask too :wacko:


Is there a list of leaders already finished? Can it be posted?

Which leaders will have a portrait and which ones will not?

Can we see an example of a portrait?



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Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:36 am

Here is a first list of leaders, there's still some missing leader for France and Russia for example ... but we already have more than 200 leaders.

Portraits will coming in another news ;)

By alphabetic order :

Andlau
Apraxin
Arhenberg
Armentieres
Auvet
Ayasassa
Beaupréau
Beck
Bercheny
Berg
Bevern
Bevern
Billebois
Blonquet
Breidenbach
Brentano
Brissac
Broglie
Browne
Brunswick
Buckow
Bulow
Buturlin
C. von Palffy
Camille
Castries
Chabo
Charles de Lorraine
Chernyshov
Chevert
Chuvalov (A)
Clermont
Colloredo
Contades
Cumberland
D'Estrees
Darenberg
Daun
Demiku
Deville
Dohna
Draskowitz
Driesen
Dyherrn
Ehrensvard
Erbprinz Karl
Estherazy
Fast
Ferdinand
Ferdinand
Fermor
Feurstein (A)
Finck
Fitzjames
Forcade
Fouque
Friedriech
Fürst von Anhalt
G. Browne
Galitzine
Gaugreben
Gemigen
Gessler
Granby
Gribeauval
Guasco
Guerchy
Hadik
Hamilton
Harsch
Hedwiger
Heinrich
Hessen-Kassel
Hohenzollern
Holstein
Hulsen
Imhoff
Isselbach
Jahnus
Kalckstein
Kanitz
Katte
Keith
Kheul
Kleefeld
Kleist
Koenigsegg
Kollowrat C.
Kollowrat E.
Kreytzen
Krottendorf
La Guiche
Lantinghausen
Lascy
Lauragais
Lehwaldt
Lobkowitz
Lopukine
Lorges
Loudoun
Löwenstein
Lucchese
Lusace
Macquire
Mailly
Manstein
Manstein
Manteufel
Marschall
Maurice
Mayr (Col - Fk)
Mishukov (Adm)
Mordvinov
Moritz
Morocz
Muy
Nadasy
Nicolay
Nostitz
O'Donnell
Oberg
Orléans
Panin
Perony
Picolomini
Platen
Porporatti
Poyanne
Prinz Von Anhalt
Puebla
Radicati
Retzow
Richelieu
Ried
Rosen
Rumanjev
Rutowski
Sackville
Saldern
Saxe-Hildburghausen
Schmettau
Schorlemer
Schwerin
Ségur
Serbeloni
Seydlitz
Sibilisky
Sincère
Soltikov
Soubise
Sourches
Souvré
Spada
Sporcken
Sprecher
St Pern
St. Germain
Stahremberg
Stainville
Stambach
Stolberg
Tauentzien
Tottleben
Treschkow
Ungern-Stenberg
Verson
Verson
Von Arnim
Von Behr
Von Block
Von Bolberitz
Von Crousaz
Von Dachenhausen C.
Von Dachenhausen J.C.
Von Dieden
Von Einsiedel
Von Fürstenberg
von Gersdorf
Von Gilsa
Von Hardenberg
Von Harthausen
Von Hodenberg
Von Kielmansegg
Von Ledeburg
Von Rechenberg
Von Reitzenstein
von Risckwitz
Von Rochow
von Ronnow
Von Shulenburg
Von Stolberg
Von Urff
von Vitzthum
von Wilster
Von Zepelin
Waldegrave
Wangenheim
Wedell
Werner
Wied
Wilhelm
Winterfeld
Wolffersdorff
Wurttemberg
Wutginau
Ysenburg
Zastrow
Zieten
Zweibrucken

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Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:44 am

Thanks Hok :coeurs:


Waiting for more news ;)

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Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:03 pm

Awesome list of leaders! :thumbsup:

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Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:27 pm

Thanks Hok, its a wonderful list! :thumbsup:

greetings

Hohenlohe :D
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Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:24 pm

You will have problems to find portraits of 200 leaders :D
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Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:18 pm

Beren wrote:You will have problems to find portraits of 200 leaders :D


I think there will be enough portraits for the most famous generals of that list in diverse archives but some of the less known will be difficult to get.
But I think in the old prussian and austrian Kriegsarchives there must be enough pictures existing. The old austrian war archiv will be easily accessed by the net but I do not know where the old prussian one is located.
So you have first to question our german Bundesarchiv how to get such pictures. The Austrian one can be accessed via net very easily.

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Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:24 pm

What are the links for those old war archives?

For the austrian I only know bildarchiv

http://www.bildarchivaustria.at/default.aspx


It is true that there are a lot of pictures available here, but of very low resolution, I know this from NCP times, you have to pay to get decent portraits :(


Look for example at this portrait of the cavalry General Nádasdy


[ATTACH]7482[/ATTACH]



A better portrait is in Osprey's monograph on Kolin campaign

http://books.google.com/books?id=ModE3BCl-84C&pg=PA16&vq=nadasty&dq=Serbeloni+%22seven+years+war%22&source=gbs_search_s&cad=0
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Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:10 pm

First:

the German Bundesarchiv: http://www.bundesarchiv.de

Second:
the Austrian State Archiv: http://www.oesta.gv.at

thats all I found sofar, but they are mostly in german language, so it will be a problem for foreign language speakers to understand the information.

greetings

Hohenlohe :coeurs:
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Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:14 pm

Nikel wrote:What are the links for those old war archives?

For the austrian I only know bildarchiv

http://www.bildarchivaustria.at/default.aspx


It is true that there are a lot of pictures available here, but of very low resolution, I know this from NCP times, you have to pay to get decent portraits :(


Look for example at this portrait of the cavalry General Nádasdy


[ATTACH]7482[/ATTACH]



A better portrait is in Osprey's monograph on Kolin campaign

http://books.google.com/books?id=ModE3BCl-84C&pg=PA16&vq=nadasty&dq=Serbeloni+%22seven+years+war%22&source=gbs_search_s&cad=0



General Nádasdy wears the typical Hungarian Hussar uniform jacket, so he was a leader of light cavalry in that time.

greetings

Hohenlohe :D
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Fri May 08, 2009 7:33 am

If I'm not wrong he even had his own Hussar regiment...

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Fri May 08, 2009 4:52 pm

New Ageod contest:
Whomever can grow a moustache like Nádasdy will get a free RoP upon release :thumbsup:

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Fri May 08, 2009 4:57 pm

Great suggestion! Fully agree with you :thumbsup:

I already have one, identical to Nadasdy :niark:

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I've had a mustache exactly like that since I was 15. :winner: Free copy for me! :w00t:
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Sol Invictus wrote:I've had a mustache exactly like that since I was 15. :winner: Free copy for me! :w00t:



What?! :eek:

Sorry you will have to prove it, change your avatar as I did :niark: ;)

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Nikel wrote:What?! :eek:

Sorry you will have to prove it, change your avatar as I did :niark: ;)


You have my most solemn word as a gentleman. :innocent:
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Fri May 08, 2009 8:15 pm

WOW! Did you see how many names popped up that would earn renown again almost 200 years later? These names are later revisited in the forms of Third Reich army and army group commanders!!
Manstein
Manteufel
Von Arnim
Kleist
Beck


And then one name revisted 150 years later as one of the most sinister characters of the Russian Civil War!
Ungern-Stenberg

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Fri May 08, 2009 8:29 pm

Family tradition... like the mafia :wacko: ;)

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Sat May 09, 2009 4:29 am

Why "Friedreich" and "Maurice". Shouldn't one of these guys be "Frederick", or the other be "Moritz"? :)

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Sat May 09, 2009 7:26 am

Reread the list there is a Moritz :D , Hok wrote them rapidly and there is some typo like Soltikov instead of Saltikov. No trouble here.

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Sat May 09, 2009 11:49 am

Sol Invictus wrote:You have my most solemn word as a gentleman. :innocent:



Oh, no picture needed then :)

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Sat May 09, 2009 3:14 pm

Florent wrote:Reread the list there is a Moritz :D , Hok wrote them rapidly and there is some typo like Soltikov instead of Saltikov. No trouble here.


Dang you're right. I know who Moritz is, but who is this Maurice character? English general?

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Sat May 09, 2009 4:47 pm

Colonel Franz Moritz was send with a relief column toward Schandau (Saxony in 1756).
Maurice is the son of Anhalt-Dessau but is sometimes written as Moritz too :bonk: .

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Sat May 09, 2009 4:47 pm

The first was Austrian send by Brown, the second is Prussian. :D

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Sat May 09, 2009 6:37 pm

So my original question stands. Why is it Friedreich and Heinrich (the King and prince) and then Maurice Von Ahalt Dessau, rather than Moritz von Anhlat Dessau.

Sure Moritz os often called Maurice in English language accounts (and presumably in French too), but then Friedreich is usually called Frederick in English language accounts, and Heinrich Henry.

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Sun May 10, 2009 2:51 am

marvingardns wrote:WOW! Did you see how many names popped up that would earn renown again almost 200 years later? These names are later revisited in the forms of Third Reich army and army group commanders!!
Manstein
Manteufel
Von Arnim
Kleist
Beck


And then one name revisted 150 years later as one of the most sinister characters of the Russian Civil War!
Ungern-Stenberg


It was family tradition at its best...Most of these socalled "Junkers" aka Knights served the Prussian King and later the German Empire as military and civil officers, because they regarded that as their duty to king and fatherland.
It was the best prussian tradition... :thumbsup:

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Mon May 11, 2009 3:02 am

Frederich's heroic heavy cav commander Seydlitz had decendent that was taken prisoner at Stalingrad.

The Prussian General:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Wilhelm_von_Seydlitz

The Wermacht General:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_von_Seydlitz-Kurzbach

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Mon May 11, 2009 11:47 am

As said by Hohenlohe, you will find them in every war from 1700-1945.
In many cases entire families (the men) were decimated.

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Mon May 11, 2009 12:09 pm

It must be that many of these officers won their "von" during these 18th century wars.

I wonder if the elder Manstein and Manteuffels were as bright and displayed as much verve as their descendents.

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marvingardns wrote:WOW! Did you see how many names popped up that would earn renown again almost 200 years later? These names are later revisited in the forms of Third Reich army and army group commanders!!



Not unusual, I think. During my military service (1995/6) one of my platoon leaders was a certain Kesselring while the division commander was a certain Falkenhayn.
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