Pride Of Nations?

[Pocus]

We were indeed mostly on vacation

As long as it helps the game sell more, it is good. And as Susana said, it is done to help publishers sell the game more broadly. If you prefer to have the Vainglory splash screen when you load up your personal copy, there will be no problem to post in the ageod forum the previous graphics for your own satisfaction and pleasure

[Anguille]

We were indeed mostly on vacation

As long as it helps the game sell more, it is good. And as Susana said, it is done to help publishers sell the game more broadly. If you prefer to have the Vainglory splash screen when you load up your personal copy, there will be no problem to post in the ageod forum the previous graphics for your own satisfaction and pleasure

Je comprends, mais franchement Pride of Nations c'est archi-nul comme nom.

Vainglory était vraiment plus subtil...dommage

On peut vraiment pas avoir un sens plus opposé entre les deux titres...

[Pocus]

There will be a subtitle though, you can propose stuff if you want

[Slick Wilhelm]

We were indeed mostly on vacation

If you prefer to have the Vainglory splash screen when you load up your personal copy, there will be no problem to post in the ageod forum the previous graphics for your own satisfaction and pleasure

That would be wonderful, Pocus. Thanks very much!

[Zap Brannigan]

There will be a subtitle though, you can propose stuff if you want

'Pride of Nations: The Vainglory of Man' - might please some of the guys who prefered the old title.

'Pride of Nations: The Struggle for Empire' - suits the era but not very inspiring?

I don't really think that the name of a game will sell more or less copies unles it's a sequel (think EUs and even the awful Empire:Total War). The important part of the name for this game will be the AGEOD in front of the title that signifies quality to those that play this type of game - if Paradox were to drop that it would be a big mistake.

[Le Ricain]

...or 'Pride of nations: The Vainglory of Empire' might fit the bill a bit better.

[PhilThib]

What about: "Pride of Nations: Vainglory of Empires 1850-1920"

[Krasny]

How about Vainglory of Nations.

Or Pride of America only for the US version of the game.

Seriously, Pride of Nations is a Liberace gay title.

[Generalisimo]

What about: "Pride of Nations: Vainglory of Empires 1850-1920"

Well, at least it keeps the "Vainglory..."

[Adlertag]

Pride of Nations...humm, isn't this title already used (copyrighted ?) ?

http://books.google.fr/books?id=Iz1s7XD9U3MC&printsec=frontcover&dq=pride+of+nations&source=bl&ots=o8GxcLVJPq&sig=7s3AcZjiSJoHfpIv-MK5dSHF4EI&hl=fr&ei=dRNYTJGwDNKJ4gax5MnXBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CD4Q6AEwCA#v=onepage&q&f=false

[Pocus]

What about: "Pride of Nations: Vainglory of Empires 1850-1920"

why not indeed, this convey the original meaning.

[Slick Wilhelm]

What about: "Pride of Nations: Vainglory of Empires 1850-1920"

Hey, that's pretty good!

It's slightly verbose, but anything is better than the uninspiring Pride of Nations.

[Krasny]

It's slightly verbose, but anything is better than the uninspiring Pride of Nations.

Worse than Sim Paedophile?

It's way too long, but yeah it's better than the uber anodyne Pride of Nations.

[Anguille]

What about: "Pride of Nations: Vainglory of Empires 1850-1920"

C'est pas mal...et on garde le sens original...

[Respenus]

I must say, I am not at all surprised by the action took by Paradox (a better name has not been chosen for a computer company selling itself like it cares for the end user since gaming exists. Still better than SEGA, EA, UbiSoft or CA and many, many others). They belly well know what niche will buy AgeOD games and that's us, the users and visitors of these fine forums. I must agree with those before me, when I repeat their eternal words of wisdom, by saying that Pride of Nations is not a name which will attract the customers AgeOD seeks. Every nation is prideful, that's it's nature and even though the destructive potential was not seen in its fullest until the 20th century, it is still stupid to claim a nation as prideful as a selling point. Vainglory on the other hands, presents us with a historical period, when nationalism was in its early days and growing, leading to the greatest and most destructive, in economic, social, cultural and other forms, that is, the First World War.

At the risk of sounding vulgar, a Pride of Nations is a prostitute you pay for a BJ in a dark alley in the bad part of town and whom you forget the next morning. A Vainglory of Nations is a hataera with whom you spend the night, caressing both the senses and the intellect. That's what we want and that's what we will get, even if named after a cheap hooker.

If that is the final decision, then the comprise presented by both Phillipes is acceptable, if Paradox doesn't decide to do another number on us fans.

[boudi]

In France, we call this "avaler des couleuvres".

"To swallow grass snake. " suffer slights, unable to answer.

[Fernando Torres]

That was unexpected.
I liked Vainglory better.

[Pocus]

Believe me, there is hope for the subtitle.

Hello Rayan

[Syt]

Hm, for some reason "Pride of Nations" reminds me a bit of Nation's Pride ...

[kosmoface]

Hm, for some reason "Pride of Nations" reminds me a bit of Nation's Pride ...

Now I know what bothered me all the time! It was always there, but I couldn't think of it. Thanks for this post, syt. It's the "Pride" in "Pride of Nations".

Paradaox should seriously overthink this title, because "pride" is quite often used by rightwing organizations. You certainly don't want to have your game connected to Nazis.

Just do a google search with "white pride" and you know what I mean.

[GlobalExplorer]

It is a purely marketing decision... from the Paradox forum:

We believe it's a more approachable name from a sales perspective and we want to make sure we expand the existing gamer base for this game. The current fans who have known the name as "Vainglory" can take comfort in knowing this is a pure business decision made and the content will be exactly the same i.e high quality gameplay and class which you have come to expect from AGEOD titles.

Kind regards
Susana Meza

From my experience this is, plain and simply, bullshit, and it's the reason why people were concerned that the Paradox may not be only good news.

What other decision have there been to make the game more "approachable"?

[Generalisimo]

...

You may like the decision or not, but let's try to stay civilized, shall we?
There is no need to stat bashing Paradox... you will not get anything positive out of that.

[GlobalExplorer]

I apologize for my wording. And I agree that bashing Paradox is pointless. It's just a pity, for Vainglory of Nations was such an intelligent, fitting name.

[06 Maestro]

On the other hand:

Vainglory of Nations - what? <- This is the reaction you want.

I agree completely. When I first saw the title I had to look-and I will not forget that name. It is unusual. Vainglory is a word I never even uttered once in my life (to the best of my recollection) -nor ever heard anyone else say. I actually had to check and see if it was a word-perhaps it was some translation error, but no-it is a word.

The definitions of the two words overlap a bit. English grammar wizards (like my wife) would have a field day discussing the differences. However, Vainglory wins by a wide margin as an unusual and "catchy" title.

I will get the game regardless of what it is called. I do hope that it is changed back before release.

[Random]

Sad decision, Vainglory in the context of "boastful vanity" so suited the period. Hopefully Paradox will accept Philippe's subtitled version.

It is a wonderful thing, the destruction of words.
George Orwell
nineteen eighty-four

[Evans]

Relegated to a subtitle is better than a total loss of the distinctive name Vainglory (plus we can refer to it by the subtitle).

Just do a google search with "white pride" and you know what I mean.

What, like Gay Pride?

[Reverend Zombie]

Perhaps Paradox would go for Birth of the Pride of Nations?

[enf91]

No! It's a conspiracy! One of the leader traits in Vicky 2 is "Vainglorious"!

[lodilefty]

How about:

Hubris of Nations Expanding Yearly

[Rafiki]

No! It's a conspiracy! One of the leader traits in Vicky 2 is "Vainglorious"!

Well, IIRC, one of the leader traits in Vicky 1 was "vainglorious" too. I think that's where I first became aware of the term