Question about losses

[RGA]

Battle losses in the turn are displayed in the top menu bar (the figure next to the group of crosses symbol). I have conducted numerous battles but can't get this figure to agree with the losses recorded in the battle logs. Does the losses in the top menu bar mean something else ?

Thanks.

[RGA]

Hmmm, did some more battles and now they do add up. I need to try and replicate what I was doing before.

[RGA]

ok, I think I know what the problem is. If a unit is Eliminated in battle (suffers CR_Eliminated in combat table) the losses are not recorded.

[calvinus]

Losses printed on the top bar is a concept rather different. It does not measure the number of units lost in combat, but instead the "hit points" suffered in combat, let's say a factor to measure the "human losses"...

[RGA]

Yes, I understand that. The problem is with the CR_Eliminated result. It does not record losses. It should record 2 losses. To prove this I changed the LandCombatTableResultsMovementDoctrine.csv to consist only of CR_Eliminated results then tested with the Tannenberg scenario. No losses were recorded even though units were destroyed.

Other results like CR_TwoLosses seems ok as I can see 2 losses recorded. The problem is with CR_Eliminated.

Thanks.

[calvinus]

Are you sure you got CR_Eliminated?

When you see the red boxed message "Destroyed" alone (battle window), that means the committed unit has been eliminated, but if you see also the red boxed message "Out of combat", the unit hasn't been destroyed.

Edit: Also, remember that unit destroy may be a consequence of a bad morale test result. So we can have a 1-loss that brings a morale test (if the unit is already flipped), that can determine a unit ko.

[RGA]

Yes, they were destoyed in combat. I made sure by changing my battle results table. Here is my modified combat table which only gives CR_Eliminated results.

Dice / Column;-7;-6;-5;-4;-3;-2;-1;0;1;2;3;4;5;6;7
0;"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0"
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2;"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0"
3;"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0"
4;"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0"
5;"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0"
6;"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0"
7;"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0"
8;"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0"
9;"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0"
10;"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0"
11;"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0"
12;"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0"
13;"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0"
14;"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0";"CR_Eliminated;CR_Eliminated;0"

;Legend on results:
;
;Cells are formatted as follows:
;"AR;DR;R"
;where
;AR is the result for the attacker
;DR is the result for the defender
;R is a flag (1/0): retreat is mandatory?

[calvinus]

Were such units eliminated by the roll on CRT (rare occurrence) or by a bad result on Morale test?

[RGA]

A roll on the CRT giving a CR_Eliminated result. The unit is destroyed but no losses are recorded.

[calvinus]

Ok I found the bug. Indeed the 2 losses per CR_Eliminated units are not counted. Scheduled for fix. Thanks, Calvinus.

[RGA]

Great news, thanks Calvinus.

[calvinus]

Bug fixed. Thanks.