Report Doubled Units thread

[Franciscus]

I do not know if this thread is still active (some problems reported months ago, such as the CSA indians, are still unresolved), but I thought to add a contribution.
Ever since I started playing I noticed this, but have always forgot to report it :
- there are two "3rd reserve brigades" in the Grand Campaign, CSA: one appears on Virginia - the one that starved but now has been relocated by Gray to Roanoke; the other appears in Wake, NC.

[Brochgale]

I do not know if this thread is still active (some problems reported months ago, such as the CSA indians, are still unresolved), but I thought to add a contribution.
Ever since I started playing I noticed this, but have always forgot to report it :
- there are two "3rd reserve brigades" in the Grand Campaign, CSA: one appears on Virginia - the one that starved but now has been relocated by Gray to Roanoke; the other appears in Wake, NC.

I think the NC one is entirely different element make though - name is same but element make up is different so it is not a double of the Va one.

[Franciscus]

You are right, of course, the elements of the 2 brigades are completely different, it is just a duplication of the name of the brigades.
One possible explanation is that the state of origin is different, BUT, IIRC there are no 1st or 2nd reserve brigades in North carolina

[PBBoeye]

I apologize - I am just never here anymore. If someone can punch out a quick up-to-date list of what still exists, I will reformat that first post.

Give me what is still a problem - that is all I will post, and erase the previous stuff.

[Jabberwock]

July Scenario:

1st occurence
Brigade: US Cavalry
Regiments: 7th US Cav. Co.
Led by: Maj. Palmer
Appears: Late July, 1861; Fairfax VA, 2nd division stack

2nd occurence
Brigade: US Cavalry
Regiments: 7th US Cav. Co.
Led by: Maj. J. Palmer
Appears: Early August, 1861; Taylor WV, West Virginia Command stack


1st occurence
Brigade: California Brigade
Regiments: 1st California, 2nd California, 4th California, 5th California (SS)
Led by: Brg. Gen. A. Black
Appears: Late July, 1861; Philadelphia, fixed for 3 turns

2nd occurence
Brigade: Philadelphia Brigade
Regiments: 69th Pennsylvania, 71st Pennsylvania, 72nd Pennsylvania, 106th Pennsylvani. (SS)
Led by: Col. F. Crooks
Appears: Early October, 1861; Philadelphia

As discussed elsewhere, the California and Philadelphia Brigades are the same troops. Please also note the name of the 106th ("." instead of "a" at the end of Pennsylvania).


1st occurence
Brigade: 1st Ohio Volunteers
Regiments: 1st OH Vol., 2nd OH Vol., 3rd OH Vol.
Led by: Col P. Benjamin
Appears: Late July, 1861; Cincinnati, fixed for 4 turns, Cincinnati Force stack

2nd occurence
Brigade: 1st Ohio Volunteers
Regiments: 1st OH Vol., 2nd OH Vol., 3rd OH Vol.
Led by: Col P. Benjamin
Appears: Late July, 1861; Cincinnati, fixed for 4 turns, Ohio Volunteers stack

[barkhorn45]

1861 campaign,two Gen.McCall's

[Gray_Lensman]

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[Gray_Lensman]

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[Jabberwock]

It's possible that this is just a truncation to display the name in a limited space. Names that exceed a certain length tend to get truncated depending on where they are being displayed, especially on the units themselves. I would like to see screen shots of occurances where this occurs in not so obvious situations however.

Without actually looking in the DB, I agree that's probably what it is. In this instance, it could be displayed as 106th PA.

[Gray_Lensman]

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[PBBoeye]

updated the first post.

[Coregonas]

I ve found several times double name with militia in the April Campaign 61.

a) A cause seems to be, there are a LIMITED number of slots of every state.

Once built, then combined brigades, slots are freed, .... if then Re-BUILT, seems names for the units end,so some are Re-Built with the same name.

One exemple-> all Texas Militia built, then combined, then rebuilt then 1st Texas Mil appears again.

b) Another cause can be:

Once 2 militias of different states merge into a militia brigade, the NEW brigade gets NAMED as 1 of them, and the STATE of the BRIGADE seems to be that of the unit who gave the name.

so-> perhaps the "second" battalion is ignored for new namings?

[Eugene Carr]

Also once militia upgrades to conscript their name is available again in the militia pool. (some militia still look like militia AFTER they upgrade so its not obvious)

[Coregonas]

Now you mention it...

In some cases, militia upgrades to conscript, then early, then late... AND the NATO symbol is still a (INFANTRY & M) in all of them

So militia still..? Perhaps part of the double names problem...

I ve found I can Combine militia brigades using a true MILITIA unit with a CONSCRIPT / REGULAR (in case the M is in the NATO symbol)

Normally, once upgraded to conscript & regulars, I can only combine those units to regular brigades, not militia ones.

[Coregonas]

Tried to build all militias, run a turn, wait upgrades, build all militias, several turns...

NOT a single DUPLICATION FOUND

Just some "conscript militia" steps... Some units seem not to pass thorough this "state of mind", perhaps free units?

[Coregonas]

THEN...

MERGED 2 Kentucky MILITIA BRIGADES

The name of the brigades was assigned from one of the units (in 1 case the first one, in another the 2nd one)

Then build 2 militia units... AND ----



New units were exactly NAMED as the 2 "NO-NAME of the BRIGADE" militia inside the Bdes.

I want to clarify (in case it is of importance) these were 2 units "waiting" to be build, due to 2 other militia units than were upgraded last turn from conscripts.

(I did not do the SAVE & QUIT & RELOAD steps in order to get freed the SLOTS.)

[Eugene Carr]

I think the game pulls the 1st unused name from the pool so units which have been upgraded or destroyed will always come back.

[Crapsnot]

Hopefully the attached image displays the problem, or at least perceived problem

Thanks

[Crapsnot]

Just realised there is a double units thread. I'll know for next time.
I would move this but I'm not sure how.

[Rafiki]

I would move this but I'm not sure how.

But I am, so you don't have to worry about it

Thanks for the report

[Caradoc]

Always hoping to get two General Grants. Knowing my luck I would end up with two McClellans.

[Coregonas]

Always hoping to get two General Grants. Knowing my luck I would end up with two McClellans.

LOL

[Gray_Lensman]

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[cwhomer]

Some of the previously-reported July double units are also appearing twice in the April 1861 Campaign.

1st Ohio Volunteers

1st occurence
Regiments: 1st OH Vol., 2nd OH Vol., 3rd OH Vol.
Appears: Early June, 1861; Cincinnati; Cincinnati Force Stack

2nd occurence
Regiments: 1st OH Vol., 2nd OH Vol., 3rd OH Vol.
Appears: Early June, 1861; Cleveland; Ohio Volunteer Stack

2nd Ohio Volunteers

1st occurence
Regiments: 4th OH Vol., 5th OH Vol., 6th OH Vol.
Appears: Late May, 1861; Cleveland; Ohio Volunteer Stack

2nd occurence
Regiments: 4th OH Vol., 5th OH Vol., 6th OH Vol.
Appears: Early June, 1861; Columbus; Columbus Force Stack

The order of apperance is

Late May: (Cleveland) 2nd Ohio Volunteers
Early June: (Columbus) 2nd Ohio Volunteers; both 1st Ohio Volunteers


The 7th US Cavalry and the California/Philadelphia Brigade are also appearing twice, as they were for the July Scenario.


There are two brigades named 1st Maryland Brigade appearing, although they have different sub-units. Not sure if this is an issue, but here's the details.

1st occurence
Regiments: 1st MD, 2nd MD., Maryland Rifles
Appears: Early April, 1861; Washington DC

2nd occurence
Regiments: 1st & 2nd MD Vol., 3rd & 4th MD Vol., 2nd Pennsylvania.
Appears: Late May, 1861; Baltimore


Also, the brigades that appear as part of Patterson's army, the NVA brigades, share elements with the PA Volunteer brigades (ie, both the NVA/I brigade and the 1st PA Brigade have a 1st PA Vol.) I'm not sure if these are duplicated brigades, or, if they are not, the duplicate elements are worth correcting. Should someone wants to look into this further, I'll provide more specific information.

Finally, I believe that there is a unit, I think it's the 24th Michigan, appearing as part of two elite brigades, suggesting there may be another duplicate brigade. I'll see if I can track this down when it appears in my current game.

[biggp07]

Had a 2nd Iron Bgd with a 2nd Gen. Auger show up in New York in Early July.
If you need screenshot or turn file let me know.

John

I also had 2 Iron BDE w/GEN Christopher Auger. Started scenario w/1 and later he shows up again in NY around a turn in July. In same game/scenario I also had 2 1* M. Smith, one which was given a DIV command later and renamed to Brig GEN E. Pierce. as well as 2 Bull Run BDE's. I have a feeling the game woudl have turned out different if I did not play with these redundancies.

BTW, this is my first post after playing the game only a couple weeks, GREAT FUN! I've been looking for a game like this!

[mikee64]

It looks like the Indian units under Watie are still spawning as duplicates... I thought this one had been fixed. Latest patch w/ KY add on mod:

[Gray_Lensman]

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[mikee64]

April 1861 w/ your KY add-on Early March 1862 turn

[Gray_Lensman]

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[mikee64]

they spawned early March 1862

are we going to play the edit game all night??